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Joined: Nov 08, 2006 Posts: 9 Location: Temple Texas
Posted: Thu Dec 07, 2006 2:43 am Post subject: Online Schools
What is a good online school for CF, I have the opportunity to go back to school and there is University of Phoenix but it offers IT neworking and security not a program specifically designed for CF can you help me PLEASE _________________ Nicole Tays
I was THIS close to signing on with University of Phoenix. But I decided to do a little Googling just before I was going to submit payment and THANKFULLY I found this website uopsucks.com.
I am now enrolled at one of my State Colleges to pursue my Associates Degree, all ONLINE and I feel much better about my decision.
BE CAUTIOUS!! I've learned from several people and posts that a Degree from a brick and mortar establishment is more respected.
What turned me around was the clarification that UOP is a FOR PROFIT organization. Your local and state colleges and universities usually are not!
Posted: Thu Jan 11, 2007 3:06 pm Post subject: Online Schools
Not saying it's bad to make a profit. I'm just saying that if you are attending a not for profit organization then it's obvious the education provider cares about something more that just money. YOUR EDUCATION perhaps.
Posted: Fri Jan 12, 2007 12:48 am Post subject: Re: Online Schools
Slider wrote:
Not saying it's bad to make a profit. I'm just saying that if you are attending a not for profit organization then it's obvious the education provider cares about something more that just money. YOUR EDUCATION perhaps.
Good point Slider. This is an interesting discussion going on here but are you sure a public University is interested in YOUR education? Private schools are not all "for profit", and the profit status is not what students should care about when looking for a school.
As undergraduate students most people are interested in a College or University that is going to give them the best education. The private colleges and university systems are almost exclusively teaching organizations. With the notable exceptions of Harvard, Yale, Princeton, DePaul, Notre Dame, etc.. as some examples of private schools that do research. Private schools are not banned from doing research it just isn't as high of priority.
In the public college and University systems you are more likely to be taught be a teaching assistant, have mega classes (over 100 students in some), professors will bend everything to their research interests, in the public system it is publish or perish and anything that gets in the way of that is soon put aside (like undergraduate students). The mega public schools do not necessarily make education a priority. That is both good and bad.
If you're looking at graduate school you're really interested in research. Research becomes the primary mission of graduate student, but even that is changing with course only options instead of thesis for masters students. The public R1 level schools really excel at this environment. That is their mission.
Using Phoenix Online as the paragon of University education or as the primary comparator for private Universities is a bit silly. Similarly be careful when comparing smaller public Universities with the mega public schools. If you're interested in learning as an undergraduate attending a regional level school is likely in your best interest. As a student you will likely have more access to the technologies and resources at a mid-size University. Mega state-schools may have better resources, but as an undergraduate you likely won't get to touch it. If you're looking for a stamp of approval (from a big name school) do that with grad school.
I personally have three undergraduate degrees, one from a mega school, and two from small (less than 1000 students) private schools. I also have one graduate degree from a private University. I am completing another graduate degree at a mega school some time next year. I will likely be getting another graduate degree (Juris Doctorate) and it will be from a mid-size private University. And, yes I'm a professor in a regional public university.
When comparing schools think about, the accreditation of the school, the program of study, the tools and technologies, the research history of the professors (but more importantly the teaching ability if you want to "learn"), the class sizes, the diversity of the student body, the track record of the alumni, cost, and then whether it is private or public school.
Last edited by selil on Fri Jan 12, 2007 12:50 am; edited 1 time in total
Two things. First, being a non-profit entity doesn't translate into any more or less caring. Non-profits are funded. Cash is coming from somewhere. I worked at a non-profit funded by government (read, taxpayers) and we received monthly bonuses for absolutely no real reason, and they were large bonuses. The reason? Because they had to get rid of the money as a non-profit and profits were large. Second, being a for profit entity doesn't translate into any less or more caring, either. I'm a for profit, yet I believe that I care about my students and I think those who've undergone my programs would agree. In my small opinion, what really matters, is the content and the people behind the content. Are they good instructors and mentors, accessible and willing to assist? Both non-profit and for profit can be either lame or golden, and I think it's even steven across the board.
I personally have three undergraduate degrees, one from a mega school, and two from small (less than 1000 students) private schools. I also have one graduate degree from a private University. I am completing another graduate degree at a mega school some time next year. I will likely be getting another graduate degree (Juris Doctorate) and it will be from a mid-size private University. And, yes I'm a professor in a regional public university.
Hey Selil, take a vacation! I got worn out just reading that paragraph.
Posted: Fri Jan 12, 2007 10:42 pm Post subject: Online Schools
I see my statement about "non-profit" needs further clarification. My decision to attend my local college instead of University of Phoenix was not based solely on my realization that it is a non-profit organization. That was just the icing on the cake that did it for me. There were many other factors in my thought process, alot of which came from the website I mentioned previously. Students just seemed to have too many bad experiences with UOP. When I saw how well the Online Program (which is how I will be attending) was setup for my local college that convinced me ever further. Several other factors were also a considered - this is an old shool with a very good reputation, costs were acceptable, etc. So you see, my decision was not based solely on the one fact of not for profit.
Posted: Fri Jan 19, 2007 5:18 am Post subject: Masters Degree?
I am currently a senior with a double major. The first major is called Computer Investigations and Criminal Justice. I would consider this a Computer Forensics major with Criminal Justice minor. I am also majoring in Computer Network Admins. I am a little confused about if I should go directly into my masters and if so what so I obtain my masters in. I am looking at the program at DePaul in Chicago.
Joined: Nov 01, 2005 Posts: 291 Location: Marion, Indiana, USA
Posted: Fri Jan 19, 2007 6:14 am Post subject:
I hate to say this, anyone that bases decisions on info obtained from a single website without any validation is just crazy. It would be easy for one person with a vendetta to create a website that slams anything. you have no way of knowing whether or not any of the information on that site is true if you dont check it out. How do you know that all of the posted bad experiences are from different people, let alone current/former staff/students. Research, research, research.
"I personally have three undergraduate degrees, one from a mega school, and two from small (less than 1000 students) private schools. I also have one graduate degree from a private University. I am completing another graduate degree at a mega school some time next year. I will likely be getting another graduate degree (Juris Doctorate) and it will be from a mid-size private University. And, yes I'm a professor in a regional public university. "
Why not just say where the degrees are from? While three degrees is impressive the other part about I am completing another degree and then I will get another degree just seems like you are trying to one up people.
Lots of people read posts and rely on the information about schools and saying mega university? whatever that is... is pretty vague.
I don't think selil posted the schools he attended because he didn't see it important. I'll trust him on that. He may also have not posted where he teaches because it might pose a conflict of interest. I don't and wouldn't unless it was part of a full disclosure. While I'm a full supporter of my employer, others need to 1) speak freely without worrying who is here; 2) Others might see it as a feable attempt to advertise; 3) it isn't important.
If, for some reason, where I work is related to the post, I'll include the suitable disclaimer and I'm sure selil would also.
Just my $4.27 worth, discounted for inflation = 2 cents.
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