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PostPosted: Thu Dec 25, 2008 9:21 am    Post subject: Computer Forensics Licensing for Getting Started Reply with quote

Don't forget that entry into the Computer Forensics field will often require licensing, depending on the state. Getting caught doing a computer forensics investigation while unlicensed (as may be required) could make one's entry into computer forensics a very short visit. Embarassed Crying or Very sad
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 29, 2008 6:12 am    Post subject: Re: Computer Forensics Licensing for Getting Started Reply with quote

Loury85 wrote:
Don't forget that entry into the Computer Forensics field will often require licensing, depending on the state.


Care to elaborate, or know where you can find what licensing requirements there are (eg I'm in FL)

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 29, 2008 6:57 am    Post subject: Re: Computer Forensics Licensing for Getting Started Reply with quote

Isscp wrote:
Care to elaborate, or know where you can find what licensing requirements there are (eg I'm in FL)

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Google computer forensic licensing. There are hundreds of articles on this topic.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 19, 2009 7:10 am    Post subject: DeVry Reply with quote

Laughing I'm a computer forensics major at DeVry, and I can tell you they have it figured out. The classes are challenging, but not unrealistic. Also, if you do have any problems with anything from admin to tutoring, they are available on campass after hours. I love it.

As for the quality of the school, they are high class and high dollar. Most of the people I have spoken with have been impressed with the credential. They offer an awesome military discount if you are in the services.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 26, 2009 12:20 am    Post subject: Thanks for the information Reply with quote

Thank you for such great information this is a great start for beginners like my self.


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PostPosted: Wed Oct 14, 2009 2:22 pm    Post subject: Online Colleges in NY for C.F? Reply with quote

I am very new to learning about CF, I'm starting in January at SUNY Empire Online. I didn't realize they had no degrees for CF, just "starter" courses, if you will. I will be tranferring after a semester or two.

In order to get NY TAP Grants, I have to go to a NY School.

Does anyone know of any online colleges for CF Degrees in New York?

Also, Is it possible to get ALL your schooling for CF online?

Thanks!
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 19, 2009 12:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well I am taking my Bachelors at Kaplan right now online. I am doing Bachelor of Science Information Technology with emphasis on Forensics and Information Security. They do offer a CJ Bachelors degree also. I live in the State of Florida and I am receiving FAFSA and the rest are student loans.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 09, 2010 4:57 am    Post subject: HELP - trying to pick a college - need some advice Reply with quote

Hi Everyone ! Very Happy

I an currently an unemployed high school teacher who has been heavy in technology most of my life - and am a lifetime learner - I currently have my BS in psychology, Master's in Special Education and Specialist degree in Educational Technology. I was a journalist overseas associated with USA Today before I became a teacher .... now that you know my background - this is my question for my future.

With the state of the economy I have found it hard to find a job here in Georgia as a teacher. Because of my love of computers (am pretty computer literate) I would like to get into computer forensics and digital security. Have checked out many colleges - some of which at Walden, Capella, CTU, IADT, ITT, JIU, Kaplan, Saint Leo, U of Maryland, U of Phoenix and UAT ...... I just don't know which degree program would be best to get in the field and whether I should shoot for a another master's or a doctorate program also which certifications would give me a better shot at good paying jobs in the career field. I want to go back to work and i want to work in this field ....

so my questions are what college would you recommend? what degree? what certification?

need to make a decision within a few days as registrations are starting ... your thoughts are greatly appreciated ... Wink
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 10, 2010 7:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Last I checked, Georgia requires a PI license to do CF (which is silly, but hey, you have to follow your local laws). So if you're serious, that's something you'll have to consider also.

Frankly, certs like CCE and CFCE are probably better than most of the degree courses out there, simply because (speaking what I personally know about CCE and CFCE) they were designed by people who actually work in the industry.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 12, 2010 7:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Question Ok now I really have a major question! Shocked

SHOULD I GET A DEGREE IN THIS FIELD OR JUST SHOOT FOR CERTIFICATION - WON'T EMPLOYERS LOOK AT YOUR DEGREE SIDE IF IT ...... AND AS FAR AS GEORGIA AND PI CERTIFICATION - THIS IS A STUPID STATE ANYWAYS WITH STUPID RULES AND I AM WILLING TO RELOCATE .... OK GUYS GIVE ME GUIDANCE AS TO WHICH WAY TO GO .... GET A DEGREE OR JUST PERSUE CERTIFICATION .... AND CERTIFCATION CLASSES ..... WILL THEY GIVE ME THE FOUNDATIONS I NEED FOR THE FIELD? Razz

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 12, 2010 7:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cherlota wrote:
Question Ok now I really have a major question! Shocked

SHOULD I GET A DEGREE IN THIS FIELD OR JUST SHOOT FOR CERTIFICATION - WON'T EMPLOYERS LOOK AT YOUR DEGREE SIDE IF IT ...... AND AS FAR AS GEORGIA AND PI CERTIFICATION - THIS IS A STUPID STATE ANYWAYS WITH STUPID RULES AND I AM WILLING TO RELOCATE .... OK GUYS GIVE ME GUIDANCE AS TO WHICH WAY TO GO .... GET A DEGREE OR JUST PERSUE CERTIFICATION .... AND CERTIFCATION CLASSES ..... WILL THEY GIVE ME THE FOUNDATIONS I NEED FOR THE FIELD? Razz

THANKS FOR YOUR HELP Exclamation Laughing
WHAT MAKES YOU THINK YOU HAVE THE DESIRE TO DO FORENSICS?

Yikes, that hurt my ears just typing it.

But seriously, what have you done that makes you think you want to do computer forensics or even digital security? I see so many posters that ask the exact question you asked, degree or cert. You need to ask yourself if you have not just the aptitude but the desire to work in the field.

Also why do you think this field has a better potential for a job than education, especially with your experience in education? Have you looked at the experience requirements for a CF job? A computer security job? At a pay level even near to what you made in education?

Have you taken the CCE sample exam? What about a sample A+, Network+ or Security+ exam? How did you do?

No one here can tell you degree or cert without knowing way more about you than what you should post here.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 12, 2010 7:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I joined this forum to communicate with intelligent people in the field so as to make correct decisions to suit my educational pursuit in computer forensics not to debate my desire to pursue this professional line of work. But being the intelligent professional person that I am I will answer Bozo's questions and end by stating if you have nothing intelligent to offer keep your personal opinions to yourself.
That being said … you asked
Evil or Very Mad WHAT MAKES YOU THINK YOU HAVE THE DESIRE TO DO FORENSICS?
My response ……
Cool WHAT MAKES YOU THINK I DON’T … desire is a personal thing that can’t be measured the definition of which is “suggest feelings that impel one to the attainment or possession of something.” My desire is none of your business. If I pursue it, I desire it and will attain it. Enough with the stupid questions.
Then you made another unintelligent response by stating Rolling Eyes “Yikes, that hurt my ears just typing it.” Well I say instead of responding to my post why don’t you go to an ear doctor and get those ears checked – might want to get your attitude checked too.
I don’t have anything I need to prove to someone like you. But if you must know, I have a 147 IQ, I build my own computers, was an investigative reporter for Gannett for 10 years prior to being a teacher and have met and held intelligent conversations with many world leaders. I love computers and investigative work and love the challenge of such. In my career as a reporter , I won no less than 17 national awards, was responsible for the implementation of a 911 system on the island of Guam, covered both desert storm and desert shield, and brought down many criminals through my investigations into corruption. I also wrote the Guam Almanac for 1999 which was used by all major corporations in the Asian Pacific during that time.
Wink I do not need to ask myself whether I have the aptitude or desire. Nor does it have a thing to do with the questions I asked. Once again you asked an irrelevant question when you asked why I think this field has a better potential for a job than education, especially with my experience in education. The fact you can even ask that question leads me to believe you do not do much research into the two fields
I f you are going to post a response to my questions please stick to the subject and questions at hand or just don’t respond. (crumples up the stupid response … throws it in the trash …. And moves on …)

Now any intelligent people out there who can suggest what the best college is to attend for a degree in the field – the university of Maryland seems to have a good program – any comments on specific schools that you find are well rounded and offer a solid foundation in the field?

Thanks Laughing
Cherlota

PS – only intelligent people should respond that might have insight into my question.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 12, 2010 10:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cherlota wrote:
I joined this forum to communicate with intelligent people in the field so as to make correct decisions to suit my educational pursuit in computer forensics not to debate my desire to pursue this professional line of work. But being the intelligent professional person that I am I will answer Bozo's questions and end by stating if you have nothing intelligent to offer keep your personal opinions to yourself.
That being said … you asked
Evil or Very Mad WHAT MAKES YOU THINK YOU HAVE THE DESIRE TO DO FORENSICS?
My response ……
Cool WHAT MAKES YOU THINK I DON’T … desire is a personal thing that can’t be measured the definition of which is “suggest feelings that impel one to the attainment or possession of something.” My desire is none of your business. If I pursue it, I desire it and will attain it. Enough with the stupid questions.
Wow. You clearly have an attitude problem. But I will ignore that and still try to help you. I do not care one lick about your desire to do CF. However you should. And you should understand what the work entails. In your first post you wrote, "Because of my love of computers (am pretty computer literate) I would like to get into computer forensics and digital security." OK great, you love computers. What about the rest of the CF process? Perhaps your desires are closer to network security or intrusion response or helping users and not CF. While there may be some similarities in CF and "digital security", the paths diverge after the basics of computers and networking. I was just trying to understand if you had an area that was of greater interest.


Cherlota wrote:
Then you made another unintelligent response by stating Rolling Eyes “Yikes, that hurt my ears just typing it.” Well I say instead of responding to my post why don’t you go to an ear doctor and get those ears checked – might want to get your attitude checked too.
Check your attitude. Even a noob should understanding enough about computers to know that typing in all caps is akin to yelling. Apparently not.


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I don’t have anything I need to prove to someone like you. But if you must know, I have a 147 IQ, I build my own computers, was an investigative reporter for Gannett for 10 years prior to being a teacher and have met and held intelligent conversations with many world leaders. I love computers and investigative work and love the challenge of such. In my career as a reporter , I won no less than 17 national awards, was responsible for the implementation of a 911 system on the island of Guam, covered both desert storm and desert shield, and brought down many criminals through my investigations into corruption. I also wrote the Guam Almanac for 1999 which was used by all major corporations in the Asian Pacific during that time.
Actually you will have to prove yourself to someone like me, especially if you want a job in this field. Worked as a reporter - zero points. Loved computers and investigative work - zero points. Implemented 911 system - if it is true and you worked the technical side - 3 points otherwise zero. Brought down many criminals - if that was law enforcement and not being a reporter - 10 points, reporter zero points. You wrote the Guam Almanac? Or perhaps you contributed an article? Nonetheless it is apparent from your responses that you have zero relevant experience in either CF or "digital security" so you will need a degree to get a job.


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Wink I do not need to ask myself whether I have the aptitude or desire. Nor does it have a thing to do with the questions I asked. Once again you asked an irrelevant question when you asked why I think this field has a better potential for a job than education, especially with my experience in education. The fact you can even ask that question leads me to believe you do not do much research into the two fields
If you think getting into CF is so easy why post? Just apply for a job based on your charming personality.

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I f you are going to post a response to my questions please stick to the subject and questions at hand or just don’t respond. (crumples up the stupid response … throws it in the trash …. And moves on …)

Now any intelligent people out there who can suggest what the best college is to attend for a degree in the field – the university of Maryland seems to have a good program – any comments on specific schools that you find are well rounded and offer a solid foundation in the field?

Thanks Laughing
Cherlota

PS – only intelligent people should respond that might have insight into my question.
Good luck getting other responses.

Oh and by the way in regard to your response in your other post:
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AND AS FAR AS GEORGIA AND PI CERTIFICATION - THIS IS A STUPID STATE ANYWAYS WITH STUPID RULES
It is all about the rules.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 13, 2010 12:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cherlota,

Might be best to speak with those involved in the filling of positions/hiring of folks in the position(s) you think you are interested in. Recruiters, ETC. Learn from them what they are looking for, certificate vs. degree, certifications, experience, ETC.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 13, 2010 4:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cherlota, PreferredUser has a lot of experience in this field. I think you misunderstood his response. There are many that get into CF only to realize it isn't what they thought it was. Here he was only trying to be helpful.
Another point that he brought up was the market. He responded to your statement about the teaching market. My wife is a teacher so I'm familiar with this area also. I can say that the CF sector is much harder to gain employment in than the teaching field. Many CF positions are government positions. The pay isn't great, maybe more than a teacher's salary, but not much.
My graduating class had 12 members. Of those 12 I am the only one that is doing anything with it, and that is very little at the present time. The graduating class before me had 6 members, only one found employment.
I'm not trying to dissuade, just giving my knowledge.

If you are still set on entering this field, I think with your level of education and knowledge that attending a boot camp and gaining certifications are the way to go. A Master's in CF would be an option but not necessary. I would look for any "official" training from AccessData, EnCase, or SANS.

EDIT: Get a copy of The Official EnCase Certified Examiner Study Guide by Steve Bunting. This book comes with a demo copy of EnCase with pre-installed evidence files. This will give you some insight as to the hands-on aspect of CF. I've seen them on eBay for about $50.

Good luck
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