Can we read the stegonography or not?

Sep 16, 2006
Can we read the steganography or not?
My father-in-law is a computer secutriy expert with top level security clearances. Last week, my father-in-law visited the FBI computer crime lab. During his visit, it was learned that the FBI does not have the ability to actually read encripted steganography. They only have the ability to detect if it is on a computer.

As a soldier and a frontline veteran of Operation Iraqi Freedom, national security is of most importance to me. To learn that the FBI does not have the ability to read encripted steganography is extremely alarming.

My wife's exhusband, a software engineer, writes software for and has access to airline security. He is also an admitted child pornograher. His computer contained Arabic trasmissions (he's not known for speaking or understanding Arabic) along with other encripted files. In the early 80s, he used to brag about stealing other people's credit card info and using it to support his habits on the internet. It is obvious that this weak-minded individual would have no quams about hurting others by trading airline security for money or even child pornography.

How is it that the FBI cannot compete with a terrorists or even a child pornographer if it is true that the FBI cannot read or see the images of encripted steganography?

Even though the FBI does have his computer, I have hidden away more of his "greatest hits" in hopes for the ability to decypher the files. How far behind are we? When will we be able to decypher stegonogropy?

With much thanks,

A concerned citizen


New Member
Nov 18, 2005
deltaromeo said:
I have hidden away more of his "greatest hits" in hopes for the ability to decypher the files.
Um...that's interfering in a Federal investigation, not to mention some other wonderful federal charges. Military or should not be in possession or even mention possession of these files.

On the other issue, encryption is just that....encryption. Suspects can encrypt files, hard drives, etc. but in most cases, they leave traces of things behind, or they use a very weak encryption algorithm. Not a high percentage use encryption to their fullest potential. The FBI has the same issues most examiners have...we have all run into various forms of encryption. Some are breakable, some are not so easy. Most of the time it takes a little social engineering to get further in the investigation...and a little luck.

Good Luck,

Tim, CCE


Oct 31, 2005
Obstruction of justice to what end? What do you hope to gain by keeping the "greatest hits"? How did you aquire the "greatest hits"? If I was in investigator with the case, I would probably push the obstruction charge. Especially since by holding on to evidence you have totally blown the chain of custody and made the evidence useless. You have given the defense their defense. "He did it because he wants to be vendictive since he is married to my ex-wife. He manufactured the evidence. He is the one surfing CP and trying to pin it on me."
Sep 16, 2006
Sadly this is not how the justice system works these days. I have offered the police these files and the fbi; the otherthey told us to hang on to them for future reference. In the files etc. You can't see anything illegal and That is not what I want--incriminating evidence in my possesion. They are to inindated with this stuff to be effective, thus the world forum gives me hope. They have stated their are thousands of files but they can't tell how old the boys are. I don't mean to be graphic. He has very expensive lawyers, like certain MJ cases he gets away with.... He will not be charged on anything. He has had findings overturned etc.. He infact has custody of the children starring in these pics. the very children who brought it to the attention of the mother. I could go on and on. If noone charges him because it is not "cost effective" (stated by the attorney generals office) The children reported use of "white space and special glasses etc.." This was years ago and just sounded crazy to small town investigators. The thought of putting it on music was also unheard of. They tried to give the computer back but luckily the father in law stepped in and wouldn't allow it-knowing full well it would break the chain of possession.
I train Police, Fbi, and Military. I have followed the letter of the law including reporting abuse for my little step son knowing full well if he was not taken seriously we would not see him again(it gave the father the nail in the coffin he needed). He stated is father hurt is bum and they promptly gave him back to the father. Two doctors noted evidence as well.
Anyway, thank you for your thoughts.


New Member
Sep 10, 2006
I think a bigger issue here is how much trouble you have potentially gotten your father-in-law into. Just be careful in situations like this, and almost as important, be careful, very extremely careful what you post on a public forum.

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