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Oct 12, 2009
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Online Colleges in NY for C.F?

<t>I am very new to learning about CF, I'm starting in January at SUNY Empire Online. I didn't realize they had no degrees for CF, just "starter" courses, if you will. I will be tranferring after a semester or two.<br/>
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In order to get NY TAP Grants, I have to go to a NY School.<br/>
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Does anyone know of any online colleges for CF Degrees in New York?<br/>
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Also, Is it possible to get ALL your schooling for CF online? <br/>
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Thanks!</t>
 

dee2598

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Oct 17, 2009
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Well I am taking my Bachelors at Kaplan right now online. I am doing Bachelor of Science Information Technology with emphasis on Forensics and Information Security. They do offer a CJ Bachelors degree also. I live in the State of Florida and I am receiving FAFSA and the rest are student loans.
 

Cherlota

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Apr 7, 2010
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HELP - trying to pick a college - need some advice

<r>Hi Everyone ! <E>:D</E> <br/>
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I an currently an unemployed high school teacher who has been heavy in technology most of my life - and am a lifetime learner - I currently have my BS in psychology, Master's in Special Education and Specialist degree in Educational Technology. I was a journalist overseas associated with USA Today before I became a teacher .... now that you know my background - this is my question for my future. <br/>
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With the state of the economy I have found it hard to find a job here in Georgia as a teacher. Because of my love of computers (am pretty computer literate) I would like to get into computer forensics and digital security. Have checked out many colleges - some of which at Walden, Capella, CTU, IADT, ITT, JIU, Kaplan, Saint Leo, U of Maryland, U of Phoenix and UAT ...... I just don't know which degree program would be best to get in the field and whether I should shoot for a another master's or a doctorate program also which certifications would give me a better shot at good paying jobs in the career field. I want to go back to work and i want to work in this field .... <br/>
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so my questions are what college would you recommend? what degree? what certification? <br/>
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need to make a decision within a few days as registrations are starting ... your thoughts are greatly appreciated ... <E>:wink:</E></r>
 

Patrick4n6

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Mar 12, 2010
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Last I checked, Georgia requires a PI license to do CF (which is silly, but hey, you have to follow your local laws). So if you're serious, that's something you'll have to consider also.

Frankly, certs like CCE and CFCE are probably better than most of the degree courses out there, simply because (speaking what I personally know about CCE and CFCE) they were designed by people who actually work in the industry.
 

Cherlota

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Apr 7, 2010
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:?: Ok now I really have a major question! 8O

SHOULD I GET A DEGREE IN THIS FIELD OR JUST SHOOT FOR CERTIFICATION - WON'T EMPLOYERS LOOK AT YOUR DEGREE SIDE IF IT ...... AND AS FAR AS GEORGIA AND PI CERTIFICATION - THIS IS A STUPID STATE ANYWAYS WITH STUPID RULES AND I AM WILLING TO RELOCATE .... OK GUYS GIVE ME GUIDANCE AS TO WHICH WAY TO GO .... GET A DEGREE OR JUST PERSUE CERTIFICATION .... AND CERTIFCATION CLASSES ..... WILL THEY GIVE ME THE FOUNDATIONS I NEED FOR THE FIELD? :p

THANKS FOR YOUR HELP :!: :lol:
 
Dec 31, 2006
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Cherlota said:
:?: Ok now I really have a major question! 8O

SHOULD I GET A DEGREE IN THIS FIELD OR JUST SHOOT FOR CERTIFICATION - WON'T EMPLOYERS LOOK AT YOUR DEGREE SIDE IF IT ...... AND AS FAR AS GEORGIA AND PI CERTIFICATION - THIS IS A STUPID STATE ANYWAYS WITH STUPID RULES AND I AM WILLING TO RELOCATE .... OK GUYS GIVE ME GUIDANCE AS TO WHICH WAY TO GO .... GET A DEGREE OR JUST PERSUE CERTIFICATION .... AND CERTIFCATION CLASSES ..... WILL THEY GIVE ME THE FOUNDATIONS I NEED FOR THE FIELD? :p

THANKS FOR YOUR HELP :!: :lol:
WHAT MAKES YOU THINK YOU HAVE THE DESIRE TO DO FORENSICS?

Yikes, that hurt my ears just typing it.

But seriously, what have you done that makes you think you want to do computer forensics or even digital security? I see so many posters that ask the exact question you asked, degree or cert. You need to ask yourself if you have not just the aptitude but the desire to work in the field.

Also why do you think this field has a better potential for a job than education, especially with your experience in education? Have you looked at the experience requirements for a CF job? A computer security job? At a pay level even near to what you made in education?

Have you taken the CCE sample exam? What about a sample A+, Network+ or Security+ exam? How did you do?

No one here can tell you degree or cert without knowing way more about you than what you should post here.
 

Cherlota

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Apr 7, 2010
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I joined this forum to communicate with intelligent people in the field so as to make correct decisions to suit my educational pursuit in computer forensics not to debate my desire to pursue this professional line of work. But being the intelligent professional person that I am I will answer Bozo's questions and end by stating if you have nothing intelligent to offer keep your personal opinions to yourself.
That being said … you asked
:evil: WHAT MAKES YOU THINK YOU HAVE THE DESIRE TO DO FORENSICS?
My response ……
8) WHAT MAKES YOU THINK I DON’T … desire is a personal thing that can’t be measured the definition of which is “suggest feelings that impel one to the attainment or possession of something.” My desire is none of your business. If I pursue it, I desire it and will attain it. Enough with the stupid questions.
Then you made another unintelligent response by stating :roll: “Yikes, that hurt my ears just typing it.” Well I say instead of responding to my post why don’t you go to an ear doctor and get those ears checked – might want to get your attitude checked too.
I don’t have anything I need to prove to someone like you. But if you must know, I have a 147 IQ, I build my own computers, was an investigative reporter for Gannett for 10 years prior to being a teacher and have met and held intelligent conversations with many world leaders. I love computers and investigative work and love the challenge of such. In my career as a reporter , I won no less than 17 national awards, was responsible for the implementation of a 911 system on the island of Guam, covered both desert storm and desert shield, and brought down many criminals through my investigations into corruption. I also wrote the Guam Almanac for 1999 which was used by all major corporations in the Asian Pacific during that time.
:wink: I do not need to ask myself whether I have the aptitude or desire. Nor does it have a thing to do with the questions I asked. Once again you asked an irrelevant question when you asked why I think this field has a better potential for a job than education, especially with my experience in education. The fact you can even ask that question leads me to believe you do not do much research into the two fields
I f you are going to post a response to my questions please stick to the subject and questions at hand or just don’t respond. (crumples up the stupid response … throws it in the trash …. And moves on …)

Now any intelligent people out there who can suggest what the best college is to attend for a degree in the field – the university of Maryland seems to have a good program – any comments on specific schools that you find are well rounded and offer a solid foundation in the field?

Thanks :lol:
Cherlota

PS – only intelligent people should respond that might have insight into my question.
 
Dec 31, 2006
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Cherlota said:
I joined this forum to communicate with intelligent people in the field so as to make correct decisions to suit my educational pursuit in computer forensics not to debate my desire to pursue this professional line of work. But being the intelligent professional person that I am I will answer Bozo's questions and end by stating if you have nothing intelligent to offer keep your personal opinions to yourself.
That being said … you asked
:evil: WHAT MAKES YOU THINK YOU HAVE THE DESIRE TO DO FORENSICS?
My response ……
8) WHAT MAKES YOU THINK I DON’T … desire is a personal thing that can’t be measured the definition of which is “suggest feelings that impel one to the attainment or possession of something.” My desire is none of your business. If I pursue it, I desire it and will attain it. Enough with the stupid questions.
Wow. You clearly have an attitude problem. But I will ignore that and still try to help you. I do not care one lick about your desire to do CF. However you should. And you should understand what the work entails. In your first post you wrote, "Because of my love of computers (am pretty computer literate) I would like to get into computer forensics and digital security." OK great, you love computers. What about the rest of the CF process? Perhaps your desires are closer to network security or intrusion response or helping users and not CF. While there may be some similarities in CF and "digital security", the paths diverge after the basics of computers and networking. I was just trying to understand if you had an area that was of greater interest.


Cherlota said:
Then you made another unintelligent response by stating :roll: “Yikes, that hurt my ears just typing it.” Well I say instead of responding to my post why don’t you go to an ear doctor and get those ears checked – might want to get your attitude checked too.
Check your attitude. Even a noob should understanding enough about computers to know that typing in all caps is akin to yelling. Apparently not.


Cherlota said:
I don’t have anything I need to prove to someone like you. But if you must know, I have a 147 IQ, I build my own computers, was an investigative reporter for Gannett for 10 years prior to being a teacher and have met and held intelligent conversations with many world leaders. I love computers and investigative work and love the challenge of such. In my career as a reporter , I won no less than 17 national awards, was responsible for the implementation of a 911 system on the island of Guam, covered both desert storm and desert shield, and brought down many criminals through my investigations into corruption. I also wrote the Guam Almanac for 1999 which was used by all major corporations in the Asian Pacific during that time.
Actually you will have to prove yourself to someone like me, especially if you want a job in this field. Worked as a reporter - zero points. Loved computers and investigative work - zero points. Implemented 911 system - if it is true and you worked the technical side - 3 points otherwise zero. Brought down many criminals - if that was law enforcement and not being a reporter - 10 points, reporter zero points. You wrote the Guam Almanac? Or perhaps you contributed an article? Nonetheless it is apparent from your responses that you have zero relevant experience in either CF or "digital security" so you will need a degree to get a job.


Cherlota said:
:wink: I do not need to ask myself whether I have the aptitude or desire. Nor does it have a thing to do with the questions I asked. Once again you asked an irrelevant question when you asked why I think this field has a better potential for a job than education, especially with my experience in education. The fact you can even ask that question leads me to believe you do not do much research into the two fields
If you think getting into CF is so easy why post? Just apply for a job based on your charming personality.

Cherlota said:
I f you are going to post a response to my questions please stick to the subject and questions at hand or just don’t respond. (crumples up the stupid response … throws it in the trash …. And moves on …)

Now any intelligent people out there who can suggest what the best college is to attend for a degree in the field – the university of Maryland seems to have a good program – any comments on specific schools that you find are well rounded and offer a solid foundation in the field?

Thanks :lol:
Cherlota

PS – only intelligent people should respond that might have insight into my question.
Good luck getting other responses.

Oh and by the way in regard to your response in your other post:
Cherlota said:
AND AS FAR AS GEORGIA AND PI CERTIFICATION - THIS IS A STUPID STATE ANYWAYS WITH STUPID RULES
It is all about the rules.
 
Jan 11, 2006
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Cherlota,

Might be best to speak with those involved in the filling of positions/hiring of folks in the position(s) you think you are interested in. Recruiters, ETC. Learn from them what they are looking for, certificate vs. degree, certifications, experience, ETC.

Cheers!

farmerdude

www . onlineforensictraining . com

www . forensicbootcd . com
 

DanHaynes

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Aug 6, 2008
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#30
Cherlota, PreferredUser has a lot of experience in this field. I think you misunderstood his response. There are many that get into CF only to realize it isn't what they thought it was. Here he was only trying to be helpful.
Another point that he brought up was the market. He responded to your statement about the teaching market. My wife is a teacher so I'm familiar with this area also. I can say that the CF sector is much harder to gain employment in than the teaching field. Many CF positions are government positions. The pay isn't great, maybe more than a teacher's salary, but not much.
My graduating class had 12 members. Of those 12 I am the only one that is doing anything with it, and that is very little at the present time. The graduating class before me had 6 members, only one found employment.
I'm not trying to dissuade, just giving my knowledge.

If you are still set on entering this field, I think with your level of education and knowledge that attending a boot camp and gaining certifications are the way to go. A Master's in CF would be an option but not necessary. I would look for any "official" training from AccessData, EnCase, or SANS.

EDIT: Get a copy of The Official EnCase Certified Examiner Study Guide by Steve Bunting. This book comes with a demo copy of EnCase with pre-installed evidence files. This will give you some insight as to the hands-on aspect of CF. I've seen them on eBay for about $50.

Good luck
 

Cherlota

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Apr 7, 2010
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Thank you to both Farmdude and DanHaynes
Very good ideas …. Thank you for the suggestions and insight. As far as PreferredUser is concerned he might have a lot of experience in the area and maybe I took what he said the wrong way but as someone who is highly intelligent myself , his wording was not professional but rather personal and I feel was an attack of my character – he did it twice - I don’t have time to waste with things like that. I would prefer the conversations remain on a professional level.
I am sure I could do the boot-camp and pass the certifications, however I do like being thorough and well trained in any field I go into. Currently I am doing a matrix of about 10 colleges that offer various computer administration, security and forensic degrees. I will post my results once I have completed it to help others like me with similar questions.
As far as the job market – I do understand what you are saying. Teaching may have more opportunities open, but as of right now there are not many in my area – I will keep my teacher certification current but am looking to teach in the future online or at the college level which will require further study at the PHD level which I am prepared to do. However I am disgusted with the public school system and the ignorance I see there and even with all my degrees the pay at that level is only $48K in Georgia. Relocation is not possible for at least a year as I own a house and we all know how the housing market is right now so selling it might take some work.
I really want to work in the computer field. Though I know a lot about computers and love to learn and learn very quickly (I have even helped others to understand college assignments in forensics classes they have taken while getting degrees in computer and internet administration and security – and this is without taking the classes myself but just reading the materials and helping with the research.) I still know I have a lot to learn and a lot to research to find the best fit for me. I do love the investigation aspect of it all and love computer knowledge and learning.
I am here to soak in your knowledge and experience and for guidance – not for debate or questions that attack character. So I will state to PreferredUser if I took what you said wrong I apologize – but enough already with the character attacks. I don’t have to prove myself to anyone but me and when all is said and done – I am the one who has to be happy with my career choice and I am the one who has to do all I can to build my knowledge in my chosen area to be the best I can be and worthy of employment in the field. I am one of the sweetest and most kind people you can meet unless attacked – and when I am verbally attacked or feel I am – then I respond. But as I said I don’t have time for petty BS.
A current graduate in the computer field with a BA in Computer Administration and security advised me that employers are looking for computer administration course work and knowledge. It could be that CF is a concentration I might want to add down the road. At this point I am researching what education is out there, the certifications and job market - So all of your professional input is appreciated.
It might be that I end up combining all my knowledge and end up teaching Computer courses and possibly CF at the college level once I am done. My main focus right now is the research into the various opportunities before I make a final decision as to my educational pursuits. I joined this forum to get a better understanding of the field, requirements and job market. So any advice in those areas are appreciated.
I will post on the job market sight and see what employers are looking for – thank you for that suggestion FarmDude. And thank you Dan for your input as well. Look forward to any more professional suggestions. Will purchase the Official EnCase Certified Examiner Study Guide and look into training from AccessData, EnCase, or SANS. I am ready to get on the path to my future success and want to stay on the best path for me.
:wink:
later..... Cherlota
 

Gott

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Apr 29, 2010
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Great post. As someone looking how to get started down the path of computer forensics, forums and threads like this one are invaluable.

Just wanted to extend the thanks before burying my nose into the PDFs.
 

brandio

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Jun 15, 2010
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After you get certs

<t>I am planning on going to the Miami confernce in October to take the CHFI class but I am worried that after I take the class then what. Where can I get work?<br/>
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I am currently doing computer consulting and really interested in Forensics but can't find where I could work or to use the cert in the private sectors.<br/>
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I live in INdiana and there is nobody in my town currently offering any forenscis service that are not from out of state. <br/>
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I currently have my bachelor degree in computer science, Microsoft certified and A+ certified and have been doing computer consulting for over 10 years. I have a very small client base but really have no overhead.<br/>
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I was reading a book about how to start a forensic lab but I am just really confused on which route to take. <br/>
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Please advise on how to break in this business after you have your certs.</t>
 

cybercop

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Oct 31, 2005
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Brandio,
There is always the state police and county sheriff. May even consider since you have been doing consult work for so long, including forensics on your shingle.
 
Dec 31, 2006
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Brandio, you did not specify what city, however in addition to the suggestions from cybercop, the AG hires civilian examiners.

If you stay on the corporate side you might find that other IT shops will be a great source of referrals. If you are not competing with them, shops that specialize in repair/networking are very likely to provide clients or "re-sell" your services especially when you explain the training, equipment and liability requirements of providing forensic services.

I would recommend Incorporating and covering yourself with E&O insurance.

FYI - At this time Indiana does not require a PI license, however all surrounding states do.
 

brandio

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Jun 15, 2010
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thanks so much for your ideas! I am from Evansville. It is just hard to figure out how quickly I can make income from class and where to start. thanks for the good ideas
 
Sep 10, 2010
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Re: After you get certs

<r>Actually, there are 2 people who are offering services who are from Evansville and Indiana residents. <br/>
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Wondering how fast you will get your money back is probably the least of your concerns. You would need to take business away from people who have already been around and established themselves as very good investigators. You will be asked about testifying in court, which you probably haven't done. You will need to get a good sized toolbox going and then consider the yearly dongle upgrade costs, plus costs of CE for any certs which you want to get. <br/>
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Microsoft Certified and A+ really don't mean anything to attorneys who are looking to help in their civil or criminal cases, experience is what they want.<br/>
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Someone may be willing to overlook the lack of testifying and ask you "have you at least been deposed" which you will have to probably answer no to. <br/>

<QUOTE author="brandio"><s>
brandio said:
</s>I am planning on going to the Miami confernce in October to take the CHFI class but I am worried that after I take the class then what. Where can I get work?<br/>
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I am currently doing computer consulting and really interested in Forensics but can't find where I could work or to use the cert in the private sectors.<br/>
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I live in INdiana and there is nobody in my town currently offering any forenscis service that are not from out of state. <br/>
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I currently have my bachelor degree in computer science, Microsoft certified and A+ certified and have been doing computer consulting for over 10 years. I have a very small client base but really have no overhead.<br/>
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I was reading a book about how to start a forensic lab but I am just really confused on which route to take. <br/>
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Please advise on how to break in this business after you have your certs.<e>
</e></QUOTE></r>
 
Jan 11, 2006
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#39
Always remember to network. Networking is the often overlooked but should never be undervalued thing many forget.

You might consider seeking employment, full time or contractor basis, with a services company or company and work in the recovery, security, or forensics side of the organization. Perhaps even look to an internship if your business can sustain you while interning.

Cheers!

farmerdude

www . onlineforensictraining . com

www . forensicbootcd . com
 

Tbitt

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Sep 14, 2010
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#40
Hi everyone! I'm currently a freshman at UAT (University of Advancing Technology) in Arizona which I recommend highly to Cherlota from my experiences so far. I am majoring in Network Security with a minor in Digital Forensics and planning to get my masters in Information Assurance. I have only had a few classes, but so far it is very interesting to me. Today starts our training using F.R.E.D. PC's :) which I've heard many good things about. I plan to look for internships by this summer if not by the summer of my sophomore year, but I was going to ask a few of you who have been studying and/or in the field for a while... where would be a good place to look for internships?
 

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